Episode 060: Ben Sherwood and Paula Faris on the Vision to Win

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Leading Organizations Vision

During Ben Sherwood’s tenure as president of Disney-ABC Television and ABC News, he succeeded in moving the news division from its perennial second position in the ratings to winning in all categories. The secret: he gave his team faith in their ability to win. In this very personal episode of the GLS Podcast, Paula Faris, one of Sherwood’s former colleagues at Good Morning America Weekend, interviews him about his visionary leadership, his belief in people, his incredible empathy and how he deals with critics.

On This Podcast

Ben Sherwood

Disney | ABC Television

Ben Sherwood served as Co-Chairman of Disney Media Networks and President of Disney | ABC Television Group from 2014 to 2019. Sherwood oversaw a portfolio of global entertainment and news properties, including the ABC Television Network, ABC News, ABC-owned television stations, the Disney Channels Worldwide, Freeform, and Disney’s ownership interest in Hulu and AETN, including History Channel, Lifetime and A+E.At Disney/ABC, Sherwood managed a 12-billion-dollar business with 12,000 employees responsible for the creation of more than 25,000 hours of original content every year.An award-winning journalist and best-selling author of both non-fiction and fiction books, Sherwood's articles and essays have appeared in many publications including The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and Newsweek.

Paula Faris

CARRY Media™

Paula Faris is an Emmy-Award winning journalist, speaker, best-selling author of Called Out: Why I Traded Two Dream Jobs For A Life Of True Calling, and host of the Paula Faris Faith & Calling podcast, where she talks to inspirational people about what they're called to do and who they're called to be. Faris spent the last nine years at ABC news, during which she was co-anchor of Good Morning America weekend edition and co-host of The View. While at the network she reported on everything from politics, news and entertainment to sports and faith. In 2022, Faris launched CARRY Media™ with the desire to champion, advocate and celebrate working mothers across America.

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SUMMARY:

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

ABC’s Good Morning America (GMA) had lost in the ratings to NBC’s The Today Show for 852 consecutive weeks. That ended in April 2012 under Ben Sherwood’s leadership.
It took a team of 120 people, five great hosts and two years of hard work.
And then, in a difficult parting interview between Matt Lauer and Ann Curry, The Today Show fumbled the ball. All of the preparation done by GMA allowed them to capitalize on that fumble.
Quote from Barbara Walters, “Ben Sherwood made us believe we could win.”
Positive vision is risky because it is measurable and open to the possibility of failure.
My phrase was: “We’re going to win the championship.” I meant, we were going to win awards and have the biggest audience. My job was to galvanize this group to achieve our common purpose.
One little win turns into another victory and more confidence. And next thing you know, you are taking on bigger and bigger mountains.
I believed deeply in the people on the team and their potential.
Sometimes people need a good kick in the pants to live up to their potential. Those are key moments, too.
The simplest way of practicing empathy is to ask the question, “If I were in someone else’s shoes, what would I need or want?” The reward is knowing that you helped someone through a tough time.
I resolved to be a foul weather friend—someone who would show up in bad times as well as good.
When you make mistakes, you have to expect to be criticized.
When you are unfairly criticized, take comfort in knowing the truth. What matters is: 1) Did I do the right thing? 2) Did I make the best decision? 3) Did I learn from it if I made a mistake?
Do your best work. Don’t pay attention to the bad stuff and don’t pay attention to the good stuff either.
The three most important qualities of a leader:
- Vision
- Living the standard
- Holding people accountable

AUDIENCE Q&A

At ABC, there was a culture of complacency—we didn’t think we were going to win. Part of leadership is seeing things the way they are and refusing to let them stay the way they are forever.
When your boss does not believe in you, if you can, you should leave.
The best leadership advice I ever got was from Director Mike Nichols. “Ben, the last page of Howard’s End. Only Connect.” Connection is the key to leadership.

REFLECTION QUESTIONS:

1. Ben Sherwood articulated his positive vision for ABC News as “We’re going to win the championship.” How would you articulate your positive vision for your team?

2. Sherwood then made his vision measurable in two key metrics: 1) winning awards and 2) have the biggest audience. Identify the two or three key metrics by which your team would know they achieved the vision.

3. In addition to vision, Sherwood exhibited a high level of belief in his team’s potential and their ability to win. Think about each team member and fill out the chart below.

Sherwood exhibited a high level of belief in his team’s potential and their ability to win. Think about each team member and fill out the chart below.

4. Take action to implement your vision to win. What is ONE thing you could do this week to meaningfully express your positive vision and belief to your team?