
SUMMARY
What does it truly mean to be resilient? In this episode, GLN President and CEO David Ashcraft interviews top management thinker, organizational psychologist and self-awareness expert Dr. Tasha Eurich. Together they unpack Tasha’s latest book, Shatterproof, and discuss how leaders today—she calls them “stressed-out strivers”—can move beyond mere resilience and learn to thrive in our modern world.
IN THIS EPISODE
0:00 Intro
02:30 Tasha’s path to her work.
06:45 Helping people thrive in the midst of chaos.
08:15 Where did Tasha start her research?
13:45 A basic definition of “stress.”
14:50 How human beings typically respond to stress.
19:35 Is there a difference between stress and chaos?
22:30 What happens when someone hits their resilience ceiling?
28:35 Signs that someone has hit their resilience ceiling.
31:35 Can some people handle more stress than others?
33:30 Where does the idea of “burnout” fit into the discussion of resilience?
37:45 Practical tools that leaders can use to help their teams thrive.
39:45 Is our struggle with stress at work worse today than in the past?
40:15 What it means to “thrive” in the midst of chaos.
46:15 Outro
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STANDOUTS AND TAKEAWAYS
- At the end of the day, every interaction is about making the other person’s life just a little bit better.
- For “stressed out strivers,” chaos and stress come constantly and from all different angles.
- “Resilience” has its time and place, but it cannot be our only coping strategy.
- As humans, the real challenge for us is chronic stress across multiple areas of our lives.
- “Stress” can be any constraint that we are experiencing that we don’t have control over.
- Our bodies react to stress in two ways: fight/flight or freeze/faint.
- It is a myth that the more stress we encounter in life, the stronger we will be.
- Regardless of who they are, all achievers have a “resilient ceiling”: the moment that their resilience resources run out.
- Hitting your resilience ceiling and reacting badly does not mean you’re failure; you are merely experiencing your automatic responses to a world that our bodies were not designed to live in.
- There are three signs that indicate someone has hit their resilience ceiling:
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- They’ve lost their “mojo,” or enthusiasm
- Little things feel big
- Our top tools to navigate stress are failing
- Even though some people can handle more stress than others, everyone has a limit.
- “Burnout” differs from hitting a resilience ceiling in that burnout tends to (a) be more directly associated with work; and (b) happens gradually over time.
- Human beings have three fundamental needs:
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- Confidence/growth
- Choice/agency
- Connection/belonging
- Leaders should ask themselves, “What am I doing to fulfil or frustrate the three basic needs of my people?”
- Becoming “shatterproof” means going beyond “white knuckling” through tough moments to acknowledge our cracks and struggles and use them to point us towards how we can be stronger.
- True strength is not saying, “I’m not breaking.” It’s saying, “I’m breaking, and I’m going to use that to become the best version of myself.”
LINKS MENTIONED
- Book: Shatterproof: How to Thrive in a World of Constant Chaos (And Why Resilience Alone Isn’t Enough) (Amazon.com)
- Website: Tasha Eurich
- Website: www.Resilience.quiz.com
- Website: Harvard Business Review – Resiliency Resources
- Website: Team365
- Website: Global Leadership Summit 2025
- Website: Global Leadership Network
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